Database Software / Mailing Lists
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:54:31 -0500
From: Luanne Marten
Subject: Re: illustration: Database advice?
Marc and Chris,
I have ACT 3, which seems really great, but I don't know how it all works just yet. My neighbor will be showing me some of the ins and outs. It can sort quite a few ways and you can write a letter, etc, from it. It has alarms for things that need doing in the future. I have no experience with any other programs like this but my friend loves this and raves about how user-friendly it is and how many capabilities it has. She has her home-based business on it but also used it for a co. she worked for.
FileMaker Pro. I got it, it's great. I've put all sorts of crap into FM databases, and you can make it simple or make it complex. I made a Database for all my buisness records, with an automated job list that automatically enters info for the clients, prints invoices with one button, organizes my mailing list, Gives me a running total of jobs for the year, shows unpaid invoices, and picks my nose for me.
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:07:00 -0400
From: Robert Crawford
Subject: Re: illustration: Re: who pays shipping & Licensing Agents
A good place to get an idea of which magazines to submit to is either a good public library or a magazine store with an extensive collection of magazines for sale. Don't write off trade publications either. They often use art and are a good place to start.
Artist's market place isn't too bad, although it tends to be out of date rather quickly.
I'm in the latest one. They interviewed me last year.
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:05:36 -0700
From: John Nez
Subject: illustration: Mailing lists?
To the matter at hand....does anyone know of any good mailing lists? (beyond those from SCBWI) I'm trying to get a larger database of art buyers. Usually most of the promotional stuff I've received from mailing list people is so hoky it would seem to be useless. They'd have one sending samples out to aluminum-extrusion plants and the like.
Needless to say, trying to even maintain a list is a full time chore... with all the changing names and addresses. Any postings would be much appreciated. Thanks!
The only other one I've dug up is that CBC one. You can download from their web site. The group is talking about the Artists and Graphic Designers Market book, too.
Wish Picturebook would sell their mailing list. Maybe they do. Probably not.
I was pleasantly surprised the other day to find that the Literary Market Place is now online... at last.
From my point of view , the only problem is that it seems to take lots longer to use onine than it does at the library....and there's a charge to access detailed information.
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:11:55 -0400
From: Linda & Karl
Subject: illustration: lmp
who was it who posted the Lit. Market Place link a couple days ago? Was it you, John? Thanks so much. It is very interesting, and I encourage everyone to go there. There is a lot of good info on tons and tons of companies, including staff names. You have to subscribe at like $200+ a year to get complete info, but you can do a free 30 day trial subscription, which I did, and now I am going crazy trying to sqeeze everything I can get out of it in 30-- well, 29 days.
Anyway, I am not sure exactly who or what Lit. Market Place is. Can someone tell me more about it? It is something you can find in libraries? What a gem of a site it is.
always hungry hungry for leads,
Yes you can find it in any library reference section.... excellent source for publishing contacts...also check out the sections on design services, art studios and book packagers.
This site has some nice resources for writers and a search engine for publisher guidelines, some of which include illustration guidelines.
To track submissions: S.A.M.M. (Windows only), that was recommended several times. It's free, and can be gotten from:
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:35:43 -0700
From: John Nez
Subject: illustration: Lists!
Lists are hard to keep. I've been thinking and there's the basic dilemma... that one wants to have an name of a particular art director to address one's samples to... but of course these art directors keep changing jobs. That's where all the scriveling comes in... that's where one sits at the library with a table full of reference books... LMP, Children's Writers, Artists Market... cross referencing... following leads... fingers marking the pages... brain several steps behind... trying to exactly pin down just what the address of Andrews & McMeel really is.
What's frustrating is that some addresses are not in the LMP... while others are not in the Artists Market... and so on. Then there's the question of accuracy... I find that lots of lists are not accurate at all. The online list from CBC is often incorrect.. and there's so many discrepencies between the LMP and Children's Writers lists.
The LMP is such a forbidding huge volume... I always get sort of sea sick trying to wade through it. Then eventually I return home with all my scribbled changes... and paste them into my Claris Works database. Gosh bless computers for this! No wonder people are so cagey about their lists.... since I started writing this, three art directors have changed places.
I wish that SCBWI could have an online list, accessible to members only if necessary, where people could mail in updates and changes. But I know that lots of folks make their living by selling lists... or else by keeping information private.... in order to profit by it.
The Company is Creative Access.
They are based out of Chicago, and their number is:
They have a website, but it's still under construction. However, the address is:
The following is a little bit of information on them, but for better, more specific info, call them. Ask for Charlie Hopkins, he'll be glad to send you more information.
Their database contains roughly 250,000 names of "Creatives" which include Art Directors, Creative Directors, Art Buyers, and Graphic Designers.
They cover Art Directors (among others) from:
Graphic Design Firms, and
Their Publishing list includes names from over 900 firms (out of some 15,000 that they say are out there).
They update the information 2 times year (Creative Access has a "team of researchers" that I guess spend their 9-5 updating the list). There are alot of different ways you can break down both the kind of list you want to get, and how you want to get it.
Lists are one-time usage. Prices range from $50 to over $500 (If you wanted the entire database of every name they've got) Having then work out a custom list for you starts at $500. Talk to Charlie for more details on this. Members of the Graphic Artists Guild will get a discount.
Other options include how the list is sent to you. Some examples are:
As a call sheet
As Mailing labels (this is how we handled it when we sent our mailers out)
As a floppy (this would include 1 year access)
As a rolladex...
Anyway, that's about it for starters. If anyone is at all interested, go ahead and call them. They'll mail more info to you.
I would be interested in knowing if anyone has heard of other companies like this. In some ways, it sounds like it makes more sense to keep your own list updated, or hire an agent... isn't this something that an agent will keep up on for you?
Hope this is useful,
- -Heather Capelli
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:20:17 -0800
From: "Jessica Schiffman"
Subject: illustration: educational publishers
Today I went to our local elementary school and spent some time poring over catalogues, looking for educational publishers that would be appropriate for me. I found six, not including big major companies that are already on my mailing list. I called these and collected names of contact persons.
But I know there are a zillion more than this. Would anyone like to trade lists? Does anyone have a better method for collecting contacts? I've been told there is an organization of edu. publishers, but that most of the small ones don't belong to it, since it's too expensive.Their names don't show up in Children's writers & Illustrator's Market either. I'd be happy to email my list to the List if anyone wants it.
The LMP is the best source for current information. Also, you method of investigation starting with the books is a good idea. I once went to a teacher's bookstore... and was amazed at the number of publishers I'd never heard of. Look in LMP under textbook publishing. Also, you should send to the book packagers who list under textbooks. Oftentimes publishers just farm out work to book packagers.
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